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#*1* (*permalink *) Old 11-10-2008, 7:42 AM
MStep's Avatar MStep MStep is offline Member Join Date:
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------------------------------------------------------------------------ I was
able to turn on the function for viewing radio-ID's and for setting radio-ID
alerts. I have perused the GRE boards and manuals, along with the (somewhat
inadequte) RS manual, but not really sure on setting up the alerts. From what I
have read so far, it would appear that radio-id's are set up as TGRP objects,
but that the alerts will only function correctly for private calls and not group
calls. If someone can point me in the right direction here, it would be greatly
appreciated. Reply With Quote Sponsored links #*2* (*permalink *) Old 11-10-2008, 8:09 AM
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------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote:
Originally Posted by *MStep* View Post I was able
to turn on the function for viewing radio-ID's and for setting radio-ID alerts.
I have perused the GRE boards and manuals, along with the (somewhat inadequte)
RS manual, but not really sure on setting up the alerts. From what I have read
so far, it would appear that radio-id's are set up as TGRP objects, but that the
alerts will only function correctly for private calls and not group calls. If
someone can point me in the right direction here, it would be greatly
appreciated. You would set up the radio id as a private talkgroup and set the
alerts to what you want for that. You would then see that alert if that radio
was seen in a private call. You can have the radio do this alert on a regular
talkgroup as well by turning on that option in the advanced GLOB menu as
follows: Press PGM Press FUNC Press F3 (GLOB) Scroll down to the 4th option from
the bottom (RadioIDAlert) and set that to Yes. Press F1 (Save) Press SCAN You
should now see/hear the alerts any time that radio ID is seen on a talkgroup, or
private call. Mike __________________ http://www.psredit.com Reply With Quote
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for your help Mike. I think I am good up to that point. Where I seem to be
faultering is in programming in the radio ID that I want to be alerted to. Do I
program the radio ID the same way as a talkgroup ID. For example, on a given
TSYS, I want to program a new radio ID for alerts. Is it programmed the same way
as one would program a talkgroup ID, except in the talkgroup ID field one would
place the radio ID number rather than the talkgroup number? Unfortuately, here
in the NYC area, it has been difficult to test because there are thousands of
radio ID's coming up and it has been hard to catch the same one more than once
or twice a day on a system, if that much. Thanks again Mike and all. Reply With
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Originally Posted by *MStep* View Post Thanks for
your help Mike. I think I am good up to that point. Where I seem to be
faultering is in programming in the radio ID that I want to be alerted to. Do I
program the radio ID the same way as a talkgroup ID. For example, on a given
TSYS, I want to program a new radio ID for alerts. Is it programmed the same way
as one would program a talkgroup ID, except in the talkgroup ID field one would
place the radio ID number rather than the talkgroup number? Unfortuately, here
in the NYC area, it has been difficult to test because there are thousands of
radio ID's coming up and it has been hard to catch the same one more than once
or twice a day on a system, if that much. Thanks again Mike and all. Yes, it's
entered pretty much the same way that a talkgroup is entered, the only
difference is that you have to change the type field that appears in the radio
just below the ID from Group to Private. Mike __________________
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11-10-2008, 12:33 PM MStep's Avatar MStep MStep is
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------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Yes,
it's entered pretty much the same way that a talkgroup is entered, the only
difference is that you have to change the type field that appears in the radio
just below the ID from Group to Private." OK Mike-- I'm getting it-- i think :-)
This is some incredible piece of radio !!! Now what happens if I do not change
the ID type from Group to Private? Will it recognize and alert to the radio-ID's
in this mode also, are does it only work in Private mode? Reply With Quote
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11-10-2008, 2:22 PM mikey60's Avatar mikey60 mikey60 is offline Member Premium Subscriber Premium Subscriber Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Oakland
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------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote:
Originally Posted by *MStep* View Post "Yes, it's
entered pretty much the same way that a talkgroup is entered, the only
difference is that you have to change the type field that appears in the radio
just below the ID from Group to Private." OK Mike-- I'm getting it-- i think :-)
This is some incredible piece of radio !!! Now what happens if I do not change
the ID type from Group to Private? Will it recognize and alert to the radio-ID's
in this mode also, are does it only work in Private mode? That would depend on
the ID entered. If you enter a radio ID that would also be a valid talkgroup id,
you would see that object displayed if that talkgroup becomes active. If you set
it to private, you would only see the information when that radio ID is seen on
any talkgroup, or in a private call. Mike __________________
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11-10-2008, 2:47 PM MStep's Avatar MStep MStep is
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Mike-- I will have to do more experimentation--- that is the way that I have the
radio set up but no joy so far on getting the alerts to work for radio-id's. I
will spend some time with this later on and see if I can troubleshoot. I imagine
that I have something not set right-- will report back in a day or two.---
thanks for your patience and your help. Reply With Quote #*8* (*permalink *) Old 11-10-2008, 2:54 PM
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------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote:
Originally Posted by *MStep* View Post OK Mike-- I
will have to do more experimentation--- that is the way that I have the radio
set up but no joy so far on getting the alerts to work for radio-id's. I will
spend some time with this later on and see if I can troubleshoot. I imagine that
I have something not set right-- will report back in a day or two.--- thanks for
your patience and your help. Do you have the ShowRadioID option turned on in the
scanner? That may be part of the issue if it's not working right. Mike
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------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yes I
do--- both the Show Radio ID option and the Radio ID Alert are both set to
"YES". I will play with this tonight and see if I can wangle the radio into give
up more of its secrets :-) Testing is so hard here in NYC because hundreds (or
thousands) of different ID's pop up during the day and there is not one good
consistent wildcard group or private radio ID to experiment with. Thanks again
for your help. By the way, if others who are reading this thread have had
success in getting the radio ID alerts working, please don't be shy-- jump right
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11-10-2008, 4:06 PM DonS DonS
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On very busy systems, and if you have lots of talkgroup IDs programmed (or even
a "wildcard" TGRP object), the "RadioID Alert" function becomes less useful. The
reason for this is that, in most cases, the RadioID only shows up in the initial
"call grant" messages and not the subsequent "update" messages. If the scanner
is off doing something else when the initial grant is sent, it will never see
the RadioID associated with the "group call". If/when it trunks out to the voice
call, it's doing so based on an "update" message - which doesn't contain the
RadioID. Hence, no RadioID alert. On systems that aren't very busy, or if you
only have a few TGRP objects programmed, you're much more likely to get the
RadioID-specific alerts. If you don't see a RadioID (or your programmed alpha
tag for that RadioID) on line 4 when a "group" call is received, then the
scanner didn't get a RadioID. Reply With Quote #*11* (*permalink *) Old
11-10-2008, 4:28 PM MStep's Avatar MStep MStep is
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------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks
for the info Don. Just trying to confirm that the radio-ID goes into the TGRP
field in lieu of the talkgroup ID and whether it will work in both GROUP mode
and PRIVATE mode, depending on how that object is programmed. I am seeing radio
ID's on line 4--- just that here in NYC nothing consistent to test with. Reply
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11-10-2008, 4:39 PM DonS DonS
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Quote: Originally Posted by *MStep* View Post Thanks for
the info Don. Just trying to confirm that the radio-ID goes into the TGRP field
in lieu of the talkgroup ID and whether it will work in both GROUP mode and
PRIVATE mode, depending on how that object is programmed. I am seeing radio ID's
on line 4--- just that here in NYC nothing consistent to test with. You'd
program RadioIDs into "Private" TGRP objects. "Group" objects are only for
talkgroup IDs. Without consistent RadioIDs (e.g. fire apparatus, dispatch
consoles, etc.), it's difficult - not to mention nearly pointless - to get
alerts on specific IDs. For example, where I live, each PD officer will have at
least 2 RadioIDs when he goes on duty: the radio in the vehicle and his
handheld. The vehicle will change nearly every shift, but the handheld is
assigned as "part of the uniform". I've entered dispatch consoles, fire
apparatus, and a few officers' handheld RadioIDs into my PSR-500. I don't mess
with PD vehicles, since their Radio <-> Unit mapping is never constant.
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11-10-2008, 4:44 PM MStep's Avatar MStep MStep is
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------------------------------------------------------------------------ OK
Don-- very good--- since you program them as "Private" TGRP objects, you will
only be alerted when they transmit in private mode-- is that correct? If they
transmit in "Group" mode, you will not be alerted. I hope I am reading this
right. Reply With Quote #*14* (*permalink *) Old
11-10-2008, 5:34 PM DonS DonS
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Quote: Originally Posted by *MStep* View Post OK Don--
very good--- since you program them as "Private" TGRP objects, you will only be
alerted when they transmit in private mode-- is that correct? If they transmit
in "Group" mode, you will not be alerted. I hope I am reading this right. If you
program a "Private" TGRP object with a specific RadioID, you'll get that
object's "Alert" when: 1. that RadioID is involved in a private (Radio ->
Radio) call 2. that RadioID initiates a group (talkgroup ID -based) call, IF AND
ONLY IF you have the "RadioIDAlert" option set to "Yes" AND the scanner is able
to detect that RadioID from the control channel messages. For example, my local
system rarely (if ever) uses private calls. I do have some RadioIDs programmed
into "Private" TGRP objects, though. I have the "RadioIDAlert" option set to
"Yes". My local system is not very busy. For about 45% of the "group" calls, I
do get the RadioID alerts - these are "talkgroup ID" calls initiated by the
dispatch consoles, fire apparatus, etc. that I have programmed as "Private" TGRP
objects. Here's how "group calls" work in the scanner: 1. Monitoring CC 2. Get
"call grant" or "call update" message 3. TGID in message matches not-locked-out
programmed TGID? If no, back to #1 4. If the message does NOT contain a radio ID
(e.g. an "update" message), just show the "group" TGRP info 5. Do we have a
"private" TGRP object for this RadioID? If no, just show the numeric RadioID on
line 4. 6. "RadioIDAlert" enabled? If no, just show the "private" TGRP object's
alpha tag 7. Any alert settings (LED, Audio) for this "private" TGRP? If no, use
any alert settings for the TGID's TGRP object 8. Show/sound any alert settings
for the "private" TGRP object. If my scanner sees a "call grant" message on the
"Police Dispatch" talkgroup, and the call was initiated by one of the dispatch
consoles, I get an alert specific to that console, since I have them programmed
as "private" TGRP objects. If, however, some random officer calls from his
vehicle radio on the Police Dispatch talkgroup, I'll just see the vehicle's
RadioID on line 4 - since I don't have the vehicles programmed as private TGRP
objects. Reply With Quote #*15* (*permalink *) Old
11-10-2008, 6:29 PM MStep's Avatar MStep MStep is
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you Don-- that is very helpful and most informative and I appreciate your help
and input. I have printed out your message and will definately get down to
experimenting some more tonight and tomorrow morning to get this up and running.
That is by far one of the best explanations of how radio-ID alert works. If you
have seen the Radio Shack manual that comes with the Pro-197, it leaves MUCH to
be desired. I thank you and Mike and the rest of the group for the input. Reply
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11-10-2008, 8:10 PM MStep's Avatar MStep MStep is
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instructions Don. Had "radio-ID alert" up and running very quickly after your
post. Thanks again. Reply With Quote #*17* (*permalink *) Unread
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------------------------------------------------------------------------ I know
this is an old thread but it goes along with exactally what I am looking for,
kind of...I need to know how to enable the radio to show the Radio ID? Reply
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into the "GLOB" menu soft-key 3 scroll to "Show ID" turn it on.....
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------------------------------------------------------------------------ I have
Radio IDs activated in the programming but am not getting anything showing up on
line 4. I have tried both monitoring a single talkgroup as well as during
scanning. I have full signal strength on the built in signal meter. Where am I
going wrong? I am trying to catch the IDs for certain fire apparatus so I can
set alerts on them. __________________ 1RWN: IN12 Shack: Realistic Pro-52,
Bearcat 155, Motorola Minitor V, Radio Shack Pro-106,
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